2008 Top 10 - 02/05

From Dean Nation via Forty-Four .

We still have a looong way to go before the campaign "officially" starts, but believe me it's well under way.

  1. NY Sen. Hillary Clinton - Whether you like it or not she is the '800 lb. Gorilla' of this group. Until the campaign actually begins in early 2007, the ones with high name recognition will be considered the front runners by the mainstream media and meaningless polls. 2004's name recognition leader, Joe Lieberman, was the front runner in the '04 race until primary voters started paying attention. But regardless, the Clinton name will be very tough to beat if she decides to run.

  2. Fmr. NC Sen. John Edwards - Because he was no. 2 on the ticket last year, the loser label doesn't apply to him quite as much as a Kerry or a Gore. He appeals to all factions of the Democratic Party, liberals and moderates all seem to like him. His major negative though is that by 2008 he would have spent more time running for office than actually being in office. His thin resume was his only real negative last time, and it isn't getting any thicker.

  3. IN Sen. Evan Bayh - Despite his relatively low name recognition I put him this high because I believe he's the sharpest contrast to Hillary Clinton, who people fear is the most un-electable. All the while he can make probably make the best case of any Democrat in America that he can win in a solidly red state. His vote against confirmation of Condoleeza Rice as Sec. of State shows that he knows he must move to the left to win the nomination. Another DLC Democrat, Bill Clinton, understood that in '92. While Lieberman refused to budge in '04.

  4. NM Gov. Bill Richardson - Some feel that you have to look beyond a resume when looking at a presidential candidate. But man o man, those people haven't looked at Bill Richardson's bio! He's a Governor from New Mexico, Governors far and away have the best track record of getting elected President and being from a battleground region doesn't hurt either. He has extensive foreign policy experience as UN Ambassador and member of the House of Representatives. And he's Hispanic, now the largest minority in the country. Bush did a pretty nice job of cutting into the Hispanic vote in '04, and they're not planning on stopping there.

  5. WI Sen. Russ Feingold - Now that Dean is unlikely to run for President in '08, the question is where will his army of strong supporters turn to as an alternative? Perhaps the most likely to meet that criteria is Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold. A truly independent Democrat who opposed the Iraq War, was the one Senator to vote against the Patriot Act, and teamed with John McCain for the now famous "McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform Act". Some fear he is too liberal, but he easily won re-election in a battleground state in 2004.

  6. Fmr. Vice Pres. Al Gore - Vice President Richard Nixon lost the closest election in US History in 1960, after the Democrat's dominance in the '64 election he was left for dead. But 8 years after his crushing defeat he won the Presidency in 1968. So don't laugh at the idea of Al Gore running again in 2008. When he endorsed Dean for President in 2003, he may have already been plotting his comeback. Many of Dean's former supporters haven't forgotten that leap of faith. Plus, unlike Kerry, many Democrats still don't feel that Gore actually lost the 2000 election.

  7. VA Gov. Mark Warner - One of the attractive things about Warner is that he's a rumored presidential candidate because of his success as Governor of Virginia, not because of his personal ambition. He also appeals to some progressives despite his DLC credentials because he hasn't forgotten core Democratic principles. With Bayh and Edwards likely to run, it might take away from Warner's appeal as a moderate red state southerner. He may opt instead to run for Senate. He may want to take over Chairmanship of the DLC after Bayh, so those two may be in contact with each other regarding 2008.

  8. MA Sen. John Kerry - Whether it's his fault or not, people see the 2004 election as one that Kerry should have won. The only reason he was nominated was because people thought he could win. Now that we know that's not the case, Kerry will be crossed off of many people's lists. Many of Kerry's supporters were really more anti-Bush than pro-Kerry. And Bush winning a second term has people downright angry. Unlike 2000, when the Supreme Court was the object of Democrat's furor, fingers are pointed squarely at the Kerry campaign.

  9. Gen. Wesley Clark - Like Feingold or Gore, General Clark is very popular with the Dean crowd. Some feel he had enormous potential in 2004, but he was just too green and his campaign never really had a chance. He says he's learned from his mistakes and he has four years to work on his campaigning skills. The one issue Republicans kill Democrats on is national security. A Four-Star General could go a long way in shoring that up. Because he has the title of "General" he doesn't have to go to the extremes Kerry did to remind people he's a veteran.

  10. TN Gov. Phil Bredesen - This Tennessee Governor is the newest name in the 2008 horserace. Any Democratic Governor from a red state with high approval ratings these days will immediately become a national celebrity (well in political circles anyway). He's currently basking in high approval ratings easily comparable to Warner in Virginia and Richardson in New Mexico. If he wins re-election in 2006 by a significant margin, he could be a factor if he so chooses.

Other receiving votes: DE Sen. Joe Biden (enormous foreign policy credentials, but was derailed in '88 because of a plagiarism scandal), IA Gov. Tom Vilsack (one of the most successful Democrats in the Midwest, but not the hot prospect he once was), KS Gov. Kathleen Sebelius (like Bredesen she's only been in office since 2002, but someone to keep an eye on), CA Sen. Barbara Boxer (no reason to believe she will run, but the support is their if she does)

I arrived at these rankings by taking into consideration not only the odds of them winning the nomination, but the odds of them actually running. It was hard to put big names such as Gore and Kerry so low, but this is an incredibly deep group. As a Virginian I'm a huge Mark Warner fan, so it pains me to see him so low. I was a Clark supporter in '04 and still feel he has enormous potential. As far as Hillary goes, I worry a lot about her chances in a national race but I'm not as pessimistic as some. I think the hoopla over the possibility of having a woman as President would get people excited about voting for her. Besides the Clintons are very smart politically, she wouldn't run unless she knew she could win. Critics say she will run because of her ego and high ambition. I say she might NOT run for the same reasons. Isn't it ironic that people concerned with Dean's "electability" in 2004 were looking for the "Anti-Dean". Now we're already hearing talk of the "Anti-Hillary". Proof I guess that Hillary's chances if she runs are not set in stone, since Dean was consideed a LOCK for the nomination just days before the first votes were cast in Iowa. A new poll came out Wednesday that says Hillary leads Kerry among Massachusetts Democrats, which is supposed to make us think that she's unstoppable. I seem to remember Dean leading Kerry in Mass. as late as 2003. Don't believe the hype folks.


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My pick. (none / 0)

God, how I hope it's Feingold. I really am getting thoroughly tired of only being able to vote for people I disagree with on most issues (Bill Clinton & Al Gore) or don't really have a whole hell of a lot of respect for (Dukakis & Kerry).

Feingold meets my criteria on both counts. He reminds me of Senator Ralph Yarborough (D-TX) and he's far and away the best candidate. He's smart, he's got that folksy kind of charisma that gets you votes in rural states, he's one of maybe three real progressives still in the Senate, and he's got the endorsement of the Concord Coalition. Mix that in with the maverick streak that he picked up from the late, great Paul Wellstone, and you've got the first major party presidential nominee in thirty years that I actually want to vote for.

by craverguy on Sat Feb 12, 2005 at 04:18:04 AM EST

Bayh or Warner for me... (none / 0)


by nickshepDEM on Sat Feb 12, 2005 at 07:41:15 AM EST

Anyone but Gore (none / 0)

He was one of the pioneers in the culture wars with his support for Tipper's music censorship, and the Democrats why cynically enable the are worse than the Republicans who really mean it.

Gore's the only Democratic nominee I didn't vote for (my first election was Mondale) and if I had it to do over again, even knowing how it turned out, I'd still vote for Nader.

by jdeeth on Sat Feb 12, 2005 at 09:40:32 AM EST

I'm tired of popularity contests (3.00 / 1)

America is facing wrenching change in the areas of technology, economy, demographics, military, and foriegn policy. You might even throw in the environment and culture if you are so inclined. We need a president and a congress that can think, not please us. Unfortunately it looks like Clinton will win, and we will be held hostage to another frivolous smear and paparrazi campaign.
by Paul Goodman on Sat Feb 12, 2005 at 10:50:04 AM EST

Anyone but Bayh or Kerry (none / 0)

Yeah, I am still pissed that Kerry lost.  I don't dislike him, but he ran a worse campaign then Gore in 2000 (It should have never even had to come DOWN to Florida).  He had his chance, I would support him for leadership roles in the party, but he ONLY gets my vote in the national election (if he won)...not in the primaries.

I really dislike Bayh.  Besides some of the policy agreements, he just gives off a bad vibe to me.  Whenever I see him, I just get a bad feeling, like I can't trust him as far as I can throw him.  To me he is the least likeable of the above group.  Is it rational?  Probably not, but if he wants my support, he will have to do a lot of convincing, because right now, I would vote for Kerry over Bayh.  As far as general election, I would have to see who his opponent is.  If it is Frist, then I am obviously voting for the lesser of two evils.  I won't vote Republican (Colin Powell my long standing exception - Even after the war which I do not blame on him but on him doing his job...might be naive but I like Powell and always will), but I also won't vote for someone I strongly dislike...Might have to go Green or Indie.  I will give Bayh a chance if he is the nominee to convince me, but I will NOT support him at all in the primary.

http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Sat Feb 12, 2005 at 11:01:10 AM EST

Take the Govs + Feingold (none / 0)

A Souhern governor would be worth a go.  Let's find out if Southerners instinctively like their own kind.

Honestly, though, as I review resumes, Feingold is THE guy.  He is a center-left Dem who smacks the righties when they got it coming, and concedes when they're right.

He's pro-gun.  Both Gore and Kerry lost winnable blue collar votes because of the perception they are anti-gun.

And Kerry really looked like an idiot when he went hunting.  God . . . plus, the hypocrisy of supporting the assault weapons ban while owning a shitload of assault weapons deserves to be punished.

Kerry has to be the most full-of-shit politician to ever amble into a Presidential nomination.

And, that's why I like Feingold.

After all, Feindgold was the lone Senator to oppose the Gestapo-driven Patriot Act.

That alone proves the man deserves the nomination.  He could run on a center-right/libertarian platform of guns and ending the Patriot Act.  Toss in a few progressive/socialist ones for the Northeastern vote, and you've got a killer candidate.

Obviously, the Southerners will care less about the spending proposals a center progressive brings.  Hell, they voted for BUSH!

by jcjcjc on Sat Feb 12, 2005 at 12:29:07 PM EST

Re: Take the Govs + Feingold (none / 0)

I like Feingold a lot.  I am hoping that his Patriot Act vote would pull in the libertarians as well as the netroots.  He definately has my respect for that particular vote.

I think he actually would be the best ANTI-Hillary candidate.  I never saw Bayh that way (biased opinion I know); I more saw them both as opposite ends of the DLC.  Feingold is truly different than Hillary...  I respect the woman, I just think there are others that will do a better job, such as Feingold.  

Feingold and Richardson. Feingold and Clark.  I think either of those tickets would be killers.  Plus, if McCain did get the nominee, I would LOVE to see the two of them battle.  

http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Sat Feb 12, 2005 at 01:12:44 PM EST
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McCain vs Feingold (none / 0)

That would just be priceless.  Especially as the spending went through the roof.

McCain ain't gonna happen.  The GOP powers plowed him uner in 2000.  At age 72, he won't be any better off.  Especially after being Bush's lapdog.

McCain would e dead in the water, because his gushingly pro-Bush stance eroded much support among center Dems.

A Feingold-Richardson ticket would definitely be a test for the ultra-bigots.  Just to watch them try to avoid screaming "kyke" and "dirty Sanchez" might be worth the price of admission . . . especially while they try to infer those views without overtly saying them.

Being where I am on the spectrum, my candidates I will take are:

  1. Feingold
  2. Warner
  3. Gore
  4. Richardson
  5. Bayh, with some reservations

by jcjcjc on Sat Feb 12, 2005 at 09:16:50 PM EST
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